urdvarethas

QUESTION: Hello,

Thank you for your answers in the matter of celibacy.

Through this, i am so interested to clarify regarding the 'ejaculatory mode' you had explain in the topic 'Advice on technique' asked by one of the seeker to you here.

You had explained that the semen that got into this mode would not be anymore be transmuted into ojas. The reason for this is that, the process of expellation has already moved.

So, i had assumed that it is already considered a loss of the creative fluid.

Can you please explain it further.

Cause, i read from another source that one can engage in sex 'moderately' and the effect is like the one in celibacy so long as there is no ejaculation happening. For short,it is tantric mode of sex.

Assuming one is regular in his meditation,it explained that the fluid that have not been expelled during Tantric sex would be absorbed through the bladder and other routes from the pelvic region to higher parts of the body, nourishing the nervous system.

Can you please enlighten us.

ANSWER: Hello there :-)

Hope you are keeping well. Let's get into answering your queries:

Q. Can one indulge in 'Tantric sex' or say moderate amounts of sex without ejaculation and yet get the effects of celibacy ?

A. 'Tantric sex' is a method of enjoyment of sexual pleasure, where the people involved follow a certain mode of life/ practices in order to enhance and prolong sexual pleasure before, during and after the sexual act. It consists of various means to achieve this objective.
     'Celibacy is abandonment of and freedom from sexual pleasure forever in thought, word and deed at all places and times.

     The above definitions make them self-explanatory. "Tantric sex" belongs to the left hand approach for self-realization called 'Vaama Marga (meaning:Vaama- Left, Marga- Path; the left hand path). 'While 'Self-realization' was the final objective of the 'Vaama Marga' also, the gross aim of tantric sex most often since time immemorial has been sense pleasure and gratification. The danger in treading this path was profound for a normal man in the age old days itself, let alone in today's times without the aid of a masterly guru, proficient in the subject. Since the 'Vaama marga' involves indulgence in the sexual act, starting from the physical level and reaching higher states, the risk of a student tripping and falling into the pit of lust is very strong.

Sex without ejaculation is definitely much better than with ejaculation, since semen is not lost during the act. Wastage of energy doesn't occur and it does make the person reach a certain stage of celibacy. However this comes with conditions. By following a life of sexual moderation without ejaculation, a man will no doubt be more of a celibate and a cut above than the man who leads a life of sexual wastage. This is not really due to absorbtion but due to lack of need for the body to produce semen. This holds good upto the point of good health, clear thinking and other general health benefits at the physical level. But beyond this, if man aspires to reach the state of 'Soul bliss' or 'God bliss', which has been described in the scriptures to be equal to a million times the pleasure of a physical orgasm (Sri Ramakrishna Paramahansa called the magnitude of 'Soul bliss' to be somewhat close to having sex through the millions of pores in the human body) a life of absolute celibacy for 12 years, giving up all the sense pleasures becomes mandatory. A man indulging in any form of sexual pleasure cannot become an 'Urdhvareta'. The gates beyond general benefits will not open for him.

I will explain the rational behind this. In a moderate sex life without orgasm, while man no doubt conserves his semen during the act, he also unknowingly/ gradually develops an attachment/ liking and strong desire for the pleasure generated from sexual contact. Also since woman is the source of his pleasure, he begins to associate her as an object of pleasure rather than as a soul- 'The manifestation of god'. This strong karma for sexual pleasure that gets stored in his 'Karmic account' ultimately takes him to a state where he can no longer rise beyond the sex plane. Any pleasure produced by the five senses (sight, smell, taste, sound, touch) is temporary and ultimately leads man into pain. It really is no pleasure at all as it is 'Maya' or an illusion, a nervous stimulation only and not 'Soul bliss'. Man has to indulge in more and more of sex to get the effect that he first got in course of time. 'The word 'moderation' is relative. The limits set by man are stretchable by his own imaginatioin. Further to getting deep into this mode of life, he will ultimately come to a stage where his vital fluid deserts him directly or indirectly. Once this happens he can no longer rise up the path of becoming an 'Urdhvareta'. Loss of semen also becomes an impediment for deep meditation, further to the 'Prana' getting unsettled.

It is for this reason, scriptures cutting across religions require a man attempting self-realization to wholly give up pleasure generated by the senses. As long as there is sense pleasure there cannot be soul bliss. They are mutually exclusive. God gives us two options: Either to reach out to him shunning the senses and reach a state of permanent soul bliss or to fool ourselves with the senses, thinking the illusion to be pleasure, while in reality it is nothing but delusion. And finally even the man who chooses senses, realizes very late of them being cheats and has to finally get back to the first path.
Also by reaching the 'Urdhvareta' state, scriptures stress a man is bestowed at the end of 12 years with superhuman powers, the vision of god and the fruition of all his desires.

At the individaul level, I will suggest a simple experiment you can indulge in to 'personally realize' this fact. Live a life of strict celibacy in thought, word and deed for three months. At the end of these three months, you can tell me the difference if any that you experienced by a life of meditation with total celibacy and no sex. I am eager to meet you again with the report :-)

Trust this helps
God bless and have a nice day :-)

Dhananjay

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QUESTION: Thanks Dhananjay,

Your response for my inquiry is worthy to be treasured. It really do.

As for my experiences, i was perfectly celibate for more than 6 months in thought, word and deed. Yes, you're right, it was worth the effort. I can really tell you honestly that my moods were always full of zest and enthusiasm that time. i even thought that life is full of blessings.

During and before this time, i was already practicing moderate meditation and physical exercises. You can call it yoga.it was also a time of serious research of knowledge. You know, 'Spiritual knowledge'.

Then, i got married. And since 'Tantric knowledge' has already been part of my research, i did tried it for a couple of months. Ejaculation control was perfectly mastered. no slips you know.

But then, i began experiencing mood swings and anger. 'Why', i thought?
It's okey you know if it's occasional, but unfortunately, it's more often. Then, i began doubting about the authenticity of 'Tantra'.

So now, i resolve to practice moderate non-ejaculatory relations. About once every two weeks, or once a month. Again, 'life' sets in again.

That was my experience bro. Dhananjay.

Now, all i can say is thank you. Hope people like you and Ian, would alwasy be there with a 'sword of truthfullness'. It's my instinct, honestly.

See you after three months like what you said, hehe..

Take care.

anonymousKC